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Old 11-29-2006, 03:27 PM
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Alright... I know this differs from country to country and lots of other factors, but how do you folks handle declaring microstock income?

Is this something you need to talk to an accountant about?

Is it as simple as buying some tax software and popping in a few numbers? (total income)

Do you folks write-off equipment purchases?

I'm really not even sure if you file seperate returns (personal and this) or if you just lump it in with your personal return.

Anyways... any suggestions/dicussion would help. I just don't really know how to handle this at all.
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I'm wondering the same thing, especially how to report income from companies located out of the country or with whom I have not filed a W-4 form (applicable in the US). I'll probably end up visiting an accountant to discuss it.

In the US, you can claim your expenses as business expenses.
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Unfortunately, my day job is to argue with tax auditors. I only deal with U.S. taxes so I can't address other countries.

First and foremost, these are suggestions and you should hire an accountant to ask questions and review things. I'll cover the big stuff (and won't cover home office deductions or apportionment and things like meals or travel) That being said -

If you are an individual (ie your photography income is being sold by you as an individual as opposed to through business entity you have formed) then your income and expenses flow through Schedule C of your 1040.

Here's the kicker. If you have W-2 income or income primarily generated from another source, then your microstock income is considered passive. This means that you cannot deduct expenses to the extent that they exceed your income. If you made $10, then you can only deduct $10 in expenses. "Passive Losses" can be carried forward to the following year for a period of time (I can't remember if it is 5 or 7 years). Talk to an accountant about passive activity rules.

Individuals are cash basis tax payers. If you have an account balance at a stock agency, and you are unable to take that cash in hand, then you do not need to recognize the income until you hit payout and receive the cash in hand. That being said, you can't manipulate your income by not taking a payout and keeping that $5,000 account balance in your account at Shutterstock until next year because it will be an advantage to you - on an audit, an auditor will be reviewing the rules of "constructive income" - talk to an accountant about this.

The area that you can manipulate is depreciated costs over actual expenses. That 30d that you bought this year can be depreciated to slow your "depreciation expense" (losses) in the current year and carry them forward. Say this year you have $100 in income, and you can only take advantage of $100 in expenses but you know next year you'll make more money - you can depreciate your equipment over time at various rates (either MACRS or Straight Line) depending on how you want to spread that loss. Once you make an election, you can't change from year to year. Bring this up to your accountant.

If your photography income is your "full time job" then you have to be aware of the rules related to "Hobby Losses". Essentially, you have to be profitable 5 out of 7 years or the IRS will consider your losses a hobby loss, reclass those expenses from active, to the passive activity treatment, and you will have to pay the difference. Talk to your accountant about hobby losses.

everything else gets a bit complicated to address over the forum but in a nutshell, those are things you should be thinking about.
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Unfortunately, my day job is to argue with tax auditors. I only deal with U.S. taxes so I can't address other countries.

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Thanks eendicott... that sort of info is very helpful. Even though I'm in Canada, I'm sure some the same sort of logic applies. I'm hoping I can figure most of it out on my own. I doubt I'll worry about depreciation... at least at this point.

I have to try and get a 'Side Business Taxes for Dummies'... book.

Thanks Again.
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Thank you so much, Ed!!!
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As stated, different countries have different rules. Depending on the extent of your activities, some countries treat the income as a hobby and therefore not taxable (like knitting baby outfits for the local market).
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for ShutterStock, if you are recieving more than $400 in a year, you have to fill out the W 4 IRS form.
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Yeah, I'll be getting a 1099 at the end of the year for Shutterstock. It's too bad all of the sites don't do that for us. A lot of them aren't in the US...
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Yeah, I'll be getting a 1099 at the end of the year for Shutterstock. It's too bad all of the sites don't do that for us. A lot of them aren't in the US...
Exactly...and that's why I'm so unsure about how to report it. DT has offices in the US, but does that mean I have to fill out a W-4 form or if the income will be reported to the IRS? Dunno yet.
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Old 11-30-2006, 12:41 AM
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Thanks for the info. This stuff had been running through my head a few days ago and I just had no idea who to ask. So thanks.

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