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Old 04-02-2008, 06:14 PM
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I like the process at Lucky Oliver too. It show you right away with a little check mark symbol if there is data missing.
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Old 04-02-2008, 06:25 PM
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Which site do you think has the best upload process and takes the least amount of time?

Did you see anything else?
123 has the best upload process imo, also because the connect model release to picture is very easy and packed in one page.

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Old 04-03-2008, 01:23 AM
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I was telling another member today that we are going to split the upload process into two content types, photos (with IPTC metadata embedded) and everything else (videos, photos, illustations, motion graphics etc), because our uploader actually does parse out IPTC/EXIF metadata its just being overridden for the moment because of the video (which stinks and makes more work I agree). I am going to have that fixed asap and thank you ;-)

Which site do you think has the best upload process and takes the least amount of time?

Did you see anything else?
Sounds good if you can split the process and make it easier for uploads. It will soon be a flood of new photos for you to review.

I'd agree Lucky Oliver seems the best. There has been a bit of data missed from time to time, but it could have been my file transfers. Everything is there, ftp, the files appear in my account, one click to see what's there (or not there) easy text entry, one click, and they are off to the reviewers.

No complicated briefcases, multi-menus, sub menus, boxes that open boxes, no categories, sub-sections, no page of boxes to click for every darn image, no questions about how many people in the photo, the list goes on. Just upload, confirm the data, and send.

I hope my message read as kindly not a nasty criticism. I've worked in sales and marketing my whole life. Getting the product on the shelf is just the beginning.
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No complicated briefcases, multi-menus, sub menus, boxes that open boxes, no categories, sub-sections, no page of boxes to click for every darn image, no questions about how many people in the photo, the list goes on. Just upload, confirm the data, and send.

I hope my message read as kindly not a nasty criticism. I've worked in sales and marketing my whole life. Getting the product on the shelf is just the beginning.
Seems to me, finding the product is the next part, and without data about the image (how many people are in it, keywords, etc), buyers are going to waste time going through too many returns. Contributors really seem to complain a lot about uploading processes, when it should be about providing the best data about the image so the buyer can find it.
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123 has the best upload process imo, also because the connect model release to picture is very easy and packed in one page.

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123 hands down. If it wasn't for the model release bollocks on LO they'd be equally easy to upload to.
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mostphotos is the easiest of them all, actually.
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There FTP process is good. The multi file upload is sometimes very slowly. They do not handle any releases!
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123 has an easy upload process, but if you have releases, you have to attach the images after the upload and submit in the release section to the releases. This makes it more time consuming. It would be better to upload the release first and then in the upload process for the image you attach the release. You have to tell anyway there that you have a release for the image. Why not just selecting the pre-uploaded release right there.
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123 has an easy upload process, but if you have releases, you have to attach the images after the upload and submit in the release section to the releases. This makes it more time consuming. It would be better to upload the release first and then in the upload process for the image you attach the release. You have to tell anyway there that you have a release for the image. Why not just selecting the pre-uploaded release right there.

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If you only work with a few model I don't see any problems in attaching a release right on upload... but when you work with muliple/more (read a lot of models in your port) it gets time consuming holding Ctrl key/search/select the appropriate releases to attach on upload.... then the 123royaltyfree methode becomes very easy/quick and handy.

A drop down menu like DT of SS is handy if you only have a few different models, but when you work with 20 or more models (not only in one shoot), it's a pain in the **s to attach a model release.

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Seems to me, finding the product is the next part, and without data about the image (how many people are in it, keywords, etc), buyers are going to waste time going through too many returns. Contributors really seem to complain a lot about uploading processes, when it should be about providing the best data about the image so the buyer can find it.
Making uploading easier instead of harder, will attract more sellers and make it easier for new photos to be contributed. Maybe you like taking an hour to upload 15 photos a week, and then another half hour disambiguating the same files. I'd rather upload ftp, review and be done with it.

I don't like having to click a whole page of fields, agreeing to conditions and admissions. I don't like having my files end up in some strange area, where I have to move them to another and then submit, one by one, clicking some vague categories, after I already ftp'ed the whole batch.

With the way keywords work and the way people spam them, the real answer is the Keyword Police

One site has one set of categories, another has their own idea. IS has the massive disambiguation (which may or may not work) that takes time to click here and there. Some have no broad categories for many items I upload. Oh it's an "Object / Other" wow that helps. Best answer on some sites is just having Transportation and skipping trying to classify in, because there are so many variables. Miscellaneous / Business, there's another useful one.

What good does making us spend time, adding all that data do, if people can't use it and when they do, it still turns up vague or useless results? There are no standards between the sites either! Does anyone really search using category, which is broader than key words?

Go type in some common word like "apple" and see what you get. Then come back and tell me how important categories, sub-titles and number of people and some of the other things they ask for really are.

You'll see a series of silhouettes (I don't know why?), New York, a computer, mostly apples, a blue abstract vector, but every photo that has an apple in the background of a desk or on the back of the table with some bread, or in a cornucopia, comes up as "Apple". A site that forces only the main subject and keywords that apply, will win the hearts of buyers. Who wants to waste time going through 100 images of things that aren't what they claim to be?

Enter Red Apple and it gets better for a few pages, then it gets much worse, because every dang file that has RED in it starts to show up. Searches get worse as you add more words, to make them more selective. It is often counterproductive.

Fix the keywords first!

Back to my original point, which I think you may have missed sjlocke. (or I didn't make clear) You can have 10 million images on a site, but if there are no buyers, it doesn't matter, the service will fail.

Without buyers, it doesn't matter how perfect your search is. There's no one looking!

Sorry but I don't do models, I hadn't considered releases as a factor in deciding my easiest site. I'll look at 123 next batch and see if I'm being blind.

Every site that uses ftp is pretty fast and works well enough once someone gets to editing and saving. Except Panther Media. Even Alamy is easy enough with their bank of questions. How bad is it? I can upload to SV five photos at a time, faster than PantherMedia, by the time I get done clicking columns and boxes.

sjlocke, 200,000 downloads and over 4000 images. Nice! Are you an iStock exclusive?
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