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Old 06-27-2007, 05:48 AM
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Unhappy Dismal sales in June

I have been having stead sales of about 4-5 photos each month since Jan and even got my first payout of $50 in May 07. But I am still waiting for my first sale in Jun 07 and Jun is nearly over. How about you guys??
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Old 06-27-2007, 07:19 AM
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I have dismal sales on FeaturePics every month, I make more money in one day on SS than I have on FP in six months!

Now that Corbis have got a near identical set up it might be time to say bye to FP.
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Old 06-27-2007, 09:30 AM
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My June sales a slightly less than average, but I still have had some sales. Three weeks of sales on FP have earned me almost as much as 3 months on SS. Though I'd admit to having more than twice the number of images on FP as I have on SS, and to not have the sales level some have on SS.

I am wondering if the change in servers has had anything to do with it, if June is just slow in general for some.

On SS, my sales are worse than anytime this year, yet I have added to my gallery (slowly) throughout May and early June.

I have a page on my website highlighting feature pics-two in fact one is a sales page for my own images - larger thumb sizes of some of the images, directly linked to fp, so when a person clicks on the image on my site it goes to the 'buy this image' page on FP.

And another page highlighting all my referred photographers on FP, with an image from their gallery, name and direct link to their FP gallery.

I just coughed up some money for some paid advertising for my website, so hopefully that will generate some additional interest in sales over the next six month.
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:42 PM
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Last week I had my first sale since March 1. After a 3 1/2 month period of zero sales, I have quit uploading to FP. It's just not worth my time and effort anymore. I'll still leave my portfolio up, because I would like to be paid for the work I already put into uploading, etc., but I won't be actively contributing until traffic picks up. There are just too many other opportunities available for income.
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Old 06-28-2007, 05:43 PM
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Now that Corbis have got a near identical set up it might be time to say bye to FP.
I dont think 30% compared to 70% is a near identical set up.

And at this point, FP has more sales that Snapvillage.

Plus as Gracy says, if you have your own website, it is a the best site to link to.

The risk for FP is the likes of Flickr and Zooomr should they ever go into stock photography.
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Old 06-28-2007, 06:46 PM
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I have had only 1 sale in June (2 days ago). Before that, my last sale was May 15th (the only sale in May).

I'm a bit disapointed, as I've always uploaded to FP and had some months with promising numbers.

I'm almost getting my second payout, but it's *nowhere near* my top earners.

I'll just change the way I upload to them, as the process is rather simple. Instead of continuously uploading, I'll upload bigger batches by the end of each month.

I'll probably also try some RM photos.
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Old 06-28-2007, 07:34 PM
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I dont think 30% compared to 70% is a near identical set up.
Sorry I was speaking metaphorically in terms of the setting your own price etc.

However my feelings are that Corbis is a major player and I have no doubt that they will bring in the sales, and to me 30% of something is always going to be better than 70% of nothing, if it wasn't none of us would sell through the other Micros.

I too have been following the Flickr discussions but as you know the big talk is that they need to get rid of a lot of bad images before they could ever consider selling stock.
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Something I've wondered about is how FP can do any marketing after expenses with such a high commission. I've never really understood how that is supposed to work.

Gracey's and CJ's posts about using them as the photo source on our own websites leads me to ask the question: In exchange for a 70% commission, are they expecting us to do the promotional and marketing work ourselves?
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Something I've wondered about is how FP can do any marketing after expenses with such a high commission. I've never really understood how that is supposed to work.

Gracey's and CJ's posts about using them as the photo source on our own websites leads me to ask the question: In exchange for a 70% commission, are they expecting us to do the promotional and marketing work ourselves?
That is a very good point, something I can't understand is if someone wanted an image they had found on your website why would you send them anywhere and only keep 70%, I'd sell it to them myself and keep 100% !!
The only reason I can see is for an instant download, maybe Gracey could explain.
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:26 AM
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Because I don't want the hassle of setting up and looking after my own e-shop, that's why. I don't have the time to administrate something like that. I have over 500 images on FP...uploading them all over again to my own site is not my idea of fun Administration has never been my longsuit - I'd rather have someone else deal with it.

Paying FP 30% to handle the front end seems like a pretty good deal to me.

I don't think FP expects us to advertise for them - they do have a tiny advertising budget at this point tho - I would like to see them bump that up a little. Not all advertising costs and arm and a leg.

I advertise FP and promote my images there for a couple of reasons - I want them to succeed, because if they do, then so do I - also because like any endeavour you get out what you put in. I'd like to be able to sell as many images there as I do at other sites - I make almost as much there, not because I sell as many images, but because I can earn $7 from one sale.

I also hope that by trying to drag more buyers to FP, there will be more sales - sales all around, not just for me - why else would I advertise other people's images? Why? Because more overall sales means more earnings for FP, the more money they make (even though they still collect only 30%) the more available funding they have - money they can put into advertising.

And yes, I think they need to do more advertising - not necessarily on the internet, but in trade magazines, and at trade shows - canvas the design houses with personal visits (local ones anyway), and target producers like greeting card companies, calendar companies, advertising agencies and so on. But I really have no idea how much advertising they do.

I think they have a good business model, and the fact that they cater as much to their photographers as they do to their buyers is a plus from my point of view.

Let's take snapvillage - I had a look there, but they only will pay by paypal. That's a no go for me.

I finally bit the bullet and tried to sign up for a paypal business account in order to sign up at SV. Simple, right?

Except that I reside in Canada, I'm a Canadian citizen, and my business bank account and credit card are in US funds. Why? because 90% of the internet business is paid in US funds. Paypal won't send funds to a canadian bank in US funds even if the bank account is a US account. I have to have a bank account in Canadian funds. That means I'd be required to set up a new business bank account - no cost to set it up, but there are certainly monthly fees that go along with that account, and I refuse to use my family/personal account on the internet. To me, that's not helpful - SV should have other options. They are a new site, so why not offer multiple ways, like payment by cheque, direct bank transfer, and moneybookers, as well as paypal?

At FP, when you have a problem or an issue and you contact them by mail, it is dealt with pretty quickly - you are not ignored, nor sent canned emails, you don't wait weeks to get an answer or see a 'fix'. If you have a good suggestion, it's generally implemented as quickly as possible. Why do you think they started selling vectors

Unlike Karin, who has to make her living with her sales, I don't have to spread my stuff out all over the internet and take what I get (if I were forced to make this my primary method of earnings, you can bet I'd be doing just what Karin does). When you turn this business into your bread and butter it becomes a different matter - sales and earnings become paramount. Folks like Karin have to bring in the most money they can and so have to spend their time uploading at sites that are doing that for them. Time uploading at a place where they earn very little on a regular basis is time that isn't well spent.

For me, my business is already supported (minimimally, but I don't have to be the breadwinner, so my business supports itself) outside of internet sales. That means I don't have to make microstock income my first consideration in choosing where and how I want to market my work. That can make a huge difference in how you look at the various sites.

My focus is in creating an internet presence for my work that is something more than microstock - a place where they can purchase my artprints, my illustrations, or what I call "my stocky stuff". All in one place - FP can fill that better than most. Yes, shutterstock sells those things too, however, I still shudder everytime one of my artpieces sells for 25 or 30 cents.

I guess I am looking at building a future, rather than earning my daily living.
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